home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,sci.electronics.misc,comp.dcom.modems
- Path: howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!voder!nsc!news
- From: grohe@galaxy.nsc.com (Paul Grohe)
- Subject: Re: 60Hz buzz on phone line & modem problems
- Message-ID: <DKow0B.4GM@nsc.nsc.com>
- Sender: news@nsc.nsc.com (netnews maintenance)
- Nntp-Posting-Host: mil.nsc.com
- Reply-To: grohe@galaxy.nsc.com
- Organization: National Semiconductor
- X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
- References: <4cf1le$49d@guysmiley.blarg.net>
- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 03:50:31 GMT
-
- In the newsgroup sci.electronics.misc.
- dougrud@blarg.net (Doug Rudoff) from
- :noitazinagrO thoughtfully posted:
-
- :My step-mom's house's phone line has a very loud 60 Hz buzz. Any
- :suggestions on how to get rid of it?
-
- I had the same problem.
-
- Questions:
-
- Is the buzz on every phone? It may just be that particular phone. Cordless
- phones are notorious for having a small amount of hum/buzz, even on a clean
- line.
-
- Do you have any long runs of the 'flat' phone cable?
-
- Long phone cables should be twisted pair to avoid noise pickup. The flat cable
- is not twisted and picks up a lot of noise. Do any cables run next to any
- transformers or motors?
-
- Tests:
-
- 1. Determine whether the buzz is your, or the phone companies, problem by
- isolating the *entire* house from the incoming phone line.
-
- If the house is newer, or you have had the phone company come out for anything
- (they will install one if there is not one already), look for the grey 'network
- interface' box. Inside should be a pair of modular jacks. These are for
- isolating the house wiring for testing. Disconnect the jack and plug a known
- good telephone into the jack. Check and see if the 'buzz' is still there. If it
- is, call the phone company because it is *their* problem!
-
- BTW, the first jack is phone lines 1 & 2. The second jack is lines 3 & 4. The
- second jack is *not* line 2 as you would think. The red and green pair are line
- 1,the black/yellow pair are line 2.
-
- If the house is older, You will have to *completely* disconnect the wires
- leading into the house at the junction box (wire colors above) and connect the
- phone to the incoming phone company lines. Get or 'borrow' a wall plate socket
- (with screw terminals on the back) to wire to, or hack apart a phone cable to
- access the wires (the red/green pair is the two inner conductors, the
- yellow/black pair is the two outer conductors). Do the same test as the one
- with the jacks above.
-
-
- 2. See if it is a ground loop problem. Disconnect all (especially line powered)
- phone devices, such as desk/wall phones, cordless phones, speaker phones ,
- answering machines and modems *one-at-a-time*. Pick up the phone in between and
- listen if the buzz has gone away. If it still persists, try combinations of
- devices connected at the same time. There may be some interaction between two
- specific devices. Suspect ones with power cords first.
-
- Note: External modems are grounded to the computer through the data cable.
- Unplug the data cable too when testing an external modem.
-
-
- :It affects modem connections. The 2400 baud modem she has on her
- :computer system can connect, but when I use my Global Village
- :Powerport Gold (14.4 kbaud) I have no luck connecting even when I set
- :it to connect at 2400 baud.
-
- Does it connect at high speeds on other phone lines? It may just be a
- configuration problem. Some high-speed modems are 'snooty' and won't connect at
- low speeds unless they have been "told" to do it. Changing the terminal baud
- rate to 2400 does not guarantee that the modem will try to connect at 2400, it
- may still be trying to connect at 14400 on the phone line side. RTFM! ;^)
-
- I had a similar problem with wildly inconsistent connect speeds. I noticed the
- phone line did have an unusual amount of hum on it (it sounded like a good 'ole
- ground loop to me). I unplugged each device one at a time and discovered it was
- that very same modem! When the modem was unplugged (from the phone line), the
- hum went away. (I also discovered the receptacles in my house are not even
- grounded!) The modem is now on a separate line (line 2) and is okay.
-
- :In lieu of fixing the buzz for the phone line are there any filters
- :that will help the modem?
-
- I would fix it. Filters will not help much. High speed modems need as much
- bandwidth as possible and notching out a chunk of bandwidth won't help them.
-
- Good Luck!
-
- Cheers,
- Paul Grohe
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
- Paul Grohe National Semiconductor Corp.
- Sr. Electronics Technician 2900 Semiconductor Drive
- AMPS New Products Eng Group Mail Stop C2693
- Email: grohe@galaxy.nsc.com Santa Clara, CA. 95052-8090 USA
- (408) 721-7389 Tel (408) 721-2513 Fax
-
- For technical assistance, literature, or samples call
- Canada & US: (800) 272-9959 Europe: (49) 814 110-3720
- Email Support: mailto:support@tevm2.nsc.com
- NSC datasheets online at: http://www.natsemi.com
- Usenet Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed are mine, not NSC's
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
-
-